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[–]BooshAC   Doctor Who 555 points556 points  (62 children)

All of the biggest shows that became cultural behemoths - The Sopranos, Lost, Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, even The Walking Dead for a while - they all have a very important thing in common: a cast of well written, developed and brilliant characters that play out great plot lines. Studios always get the wrong idea and assume what people like is the genre, hence all of the Lost type shows that all failed, and this will happen to most of the fantasy shows that will release after GOT. The next big show that will capture the zeitgeist is impossible to predict, as it’s genre isn’t really of consequence, it just has to be really good and highly watchable.

[–]iuwerih   113 points114 points  (22 children)

hence all of the Lost type shows that all failed

RIP Flashforward.

[–]tetsuo9000   56 points57 points  (15 children)

Also, The Event and Alcatraz.

[–]HalloweenBlues   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck i forgot about Alcatraz. That's one of the few I got invested in. Now I'm sad again.

[–]pet_your_dog_from_me   2 points3 points  (4 children)

was that the show with two college aged men and an explosion in a museum? i loved that show, remember vividly torrenting it at night and then watching it

[–]rhllor   Orphan Black 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Traveler (different from Travelers). Mmmm Matt Bomer.

[–]pet_your_dog_from_me   2 points3 points  (2 children)

WOW that guy looks like the spitting image of Henry Cavill.

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Thanks for telling me - do you maybe also know the plot of the show and can refreshen my memory? :) How it ended etc

[–]Brineboy   2 points3 points  (1 child)

Here's a page from the creator, I believe, detailing what would have became of the show if it continued. Really enjoyed Traveler when it was on. http://steven-culp.com/traveler/trav-blog.html

[–]pet_your_dog_from_me   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, that is AWESOME! (pulls me down a rabbit hole of reading up about other precancelled favs like surface)

You might be happy to hear that he is currently working on another TV Show die to Release in june. Same Genre, actors: Taylor Kitsch, Michael c hall and marshall logan green;setting: germany 1946 :))

[–]Brawli55   1 point2 points  (0 children)

It had so much potential! The ending really got super intriguing and I absolutely love Janus. Uh.

[–]TheNerdChaplain   57 points58 points  (2 children)

it just has to be really good

That's the trick, isn't it.

[–]shaving99   4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yep have you tried one simple trick? Git gud

[–]StarWarsFreak93   South Park 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about spinning?

[–]Thunder_nuggets101   122 points123 points  (10 children)

You’re right, it’s definitely the characters and actors that make a show great. With Lost, the mystery was intriguing, but looking back, it had a huge cast of incredible actors, all diverse in age, race, and nationality. It’s still fun to rewatch because it’s nice to see all those characters.

[–]BooshAC   Doctor Who 68 points69 points  (8 children)

Exactly. It’s why Mad Men is my favourite show - exciting plots are great and exciting, but what’s really satisfying and keeps you coming back for more are great characters. It’s why the first four seasons of GOT are great and the latter four are just OK - it got less focused on character as it went on.

[–]Thunder_nuggets101   26 points27 points  (3 children)

Mad Men is my favorite show as well. I’ve seen it like 6-7 times and an always down to rewatch it more. I just like spending time with those people.

[–]autisticlettuce   15 points16 points  (1 child)

Have you watched Halt and Catch Fire? Similar vibe, but a little more engaging, IMO. HACF is my favorite show!

[–]Thunder_nuggets101   4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I watched it. I thought it was pretty good and much better once it started to focus on the women. I personally don’t connect to it like Mad Men but I enjoy all the actors and get excited when they show up in other things like the newest season of Glow.

[–]theitchcockblock   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was looking for smth as good as the holy trinity of tv shows ( wire , breaking bad and sopranos ) and mad men was the show I felt it’s a very good candidate as a competitor .... ( game of thrones until season 4 was superb , and I’m watching deadwood now )

[–]Kalse1229   Gravity Falls 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Probably why I'm liking Justified as I watch it for the first time. The crime drama isn't normally my genre (more my dad's thing; he loves shows like Bosch and NYPD Blue), but the characters, especially Raylan and Boyd, just keep me hooked. I've just started season 2, which features the likes of Margo Martindale and Kaitlyn Dever (two actresses I like), so I know I'll be sticking with it.

[–]isaacz321   -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Tbf mad men never got that big. It’s not enough to just be a great show, you need quite a bit of luck and circumstance.

[–]brownu95   3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yet the show went on for 7 season and won emmys. Sometimes it’s now always the ratings to keep a show up. AMC kept renewing the show because of the critical acclaim. Not to mention Elisabeth Moss and Jon hamm career blossomed because of mad men so that’s an added plus

[–]isaacz321   -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

it's a great show for sure but there have been plenty the last 20 years. it just wasnt a part of the zeitgeist like the sopranos, lost, breaking bad, or game of thrones were

[–]CheesyObserver   4 points5 points  (0 children)

With any TV show I watch, I usually stick with it for the characters. A story can be really good but if the characters fall flat - then I'm really not interested in it.

People say story is the most important thing and you have nothing without it - while it's true, I reckon a story means nothing without its characters.

I'm not gonna give a shit about this mysterious island if I don't give a shit about the people who are trapped on it. Lost did a fantastic job at the characters though :D

[–]wowpow   9 points10 points  (0 children)

Simultaneously answering the question and not answering the same question at the same time. Impressive.

[–]Tonkarz   30 Rock 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You say studios get the wrong idea, but audiences get the same wrong idea too.

[–]Deto   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Any of these could be amazing if they are done well. But most...unfortunately, will probably not clear that bar.

[–]iBoMbY   1 point2 points  (0 children)

It still surprises me that someone like Kurtzman is getting so many gigs, pretty much everything he does has extreme poor writing.

[–]Ianjh   3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why is this the top comment when its literally "It has to be good in every aspect in order to make an impact". Yeah, that's how this works lmao

[–]SonicBoom16   0 points1 point  (0 children)

ironically the way that studios think about this (create model that predicts profits of xyz genre, make movies that have highest expected profits) leads directly to a ton of mediocre, uninspired content that makes a TON of money and thus generates sequels of further mediocre and uninspired content.

[–]MoonMan997   0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wildcard prediction is Succession will build up a load of goodwill and popularity when it returns

[–]rtseel   0 points1 point  (1 child)

Of course studios know that, that's creative storytelling 101. But you cannot build a business plan around what is essentially catching lightning in a bottle, and even when you get that rare TV show, there's no guarantee that you can get the same magic every season (see: Lost, 24, Game Of Thrones, True Detective).

So studios go to the next best thing: familiarity. If someones like Game of Thrones, they will be more inclined to sample a new fantasy show rather than, say, a western or a workplace comedy. Because they're not in the business of capturing the zeitgest, they're in the business of making money year in, year out, and hedging your bets on several "good enough" shows makes more business sense than betting on that mythical show with compelling characters played by the perfect cast and served by the best stories.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also all the above are properties that have received immense success in one form or the other. They're not original properties so everything OP is looking for is already there in the source material.

[–]protag93   0 points1 point  (0 children)

This so much....I hate it when a new show comes out and they try and cast someone that looks similar to say Kitt Harrington or Emilia Clarke because GOT blow up back in the day but normally the similar looking actor/actress can't act for shit, I can see them doing this with the new Lord of The Rings series.

[–]Piligrim555   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, a great cast alone isn’t a guarantee for a hit, you also have to market the hell out of it. Look at Patriot, the show is great and unique and every character is interesting and beautifully written and played, but like 10 people saw that show because Amazon didn’t promote it at all.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] -3 points-2 points  (9 children)

they all have a very important thing in common. a cast of well written, developed and brilliant characters that play out great plot lines

Hmm The Above series has all that though ( Well We'll see with LOTR) if they're adapted faithfully of course. Breaking Bad, Lost, Sopranos etc were all original shows. So yeah predicting another original show just on the same genre to take off was especially difficult.

It's quite different here. Maybe neither will rise to the level of GOT but basically all are guaranteed to generate some level of major buzz.

Think about it this way.

That the Harry Potter and LOTR Movies made as much as they did (coming from the Source Material) was not particularly surprising.

[–]ajleeispurty   37 points38 points  (6 children)

That the Harry Potter and LOTR Movies made as much as they did (coming from the Source Material) was not particularly surprising.

This is just false. The Lord of the Rings movies were a huge financial risk, which is why every major studio passed on them before New Line stepped in. Even making it a trilogy of movies happened relatively late in the process because of the money involved, Jackson and co. were trying to sell it as two movies because they thought nobody would put up the money for three.

[–]KrillinDBZ363   The 100 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's quite different here. Maybe neither will rise to the level of GOT but basically all are guaranteed to generate some level of major buzz.

I mean you say that but who was talking about His Dark Materials last year?

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By Copies sold

LOTR at 150m as of 2007 (2nd best selling fantasy series of all time)

Chronicles of Narnia at 120m as of 2005 (3rd best selling fantasy series of all time)

Wheel Of Time at 80m as of 2017

Percy Jackson and the Olympians at 69m as of 2010.

His dark materials at.... 18m as of 2017.

Now don't get me wrong. 18m is more than most series will ever get. Nothing to laugh at.

But the above are some of the successful properties to ever grace the genre. They're not in the same league.

[–]Mp32pingi25   0 points1 point  (2 children)

What where some Lost type show? Not trying so disagree I just can’t think of any.

[–]BooshAC   Doctor Who 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Flashforward, Invasion, The Event

[–]Mp32pingi25   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah I diffidently do not remember those. Thanks!

[–]careless_swiggin   0 points1 point  (0 children)

i'd argue that sopranos , breaking bad and walking dead has varied copycat success

game of thrones maybe as well

lost had the biggest hole, nothing has done what lost has again, some are close, but that methodical surprise, answers, context, humor, action, then 3 more questions, see you next week; is an impossible formula to nail down

[–]davedomino   58 points59 points  (47 children)

My older brother has been telling me to read Wheel of Time my whole life and for whatever reason I never have, so I guess I'm most excited for that one.

Airbender getting another chance at live action is cool with me since that 2010 movie was pretty bad.

Interested to see how the LoTR series is handled by Amazon since they can't touch any characters or plot lines from the books/movies.

Don't feel like Chronicles of Narnia needs a reboot personally but I was never a big fan.

The adaptation I REALLY want, that will probably never happen, is the Riftwar Saga by Raymond E. Feist (first 4 books). Amazing story.

[–]tetsuo9000   55 points56 points  (5 children)

Read Wheel of Time or... we'll tug our braids at you!

[–]TheAmorphous   15 points16 points  (0 children)

Don't forget to box his ears.

[–]davedomino   25 points26 points  (0 children)

Humor confirmed by older brother, here's an upvote

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Cut loose Nynaeve on this wool headed idiot.

[–]SaxifrageRussel   9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’ll sniff in a derisive manner!

[–]mickeyflinn   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Blood and Ashes, read Wheel of Time.

[–]The_Wheel_Turns   15 points16 points  (8 children)

If you're into high fantasy, it's basically a must read.

I don't think the infamous Winter's Heart and Crossroads of Twilight slog is as bad as it's made out to be, especially since you're not waiting on the next book to release. And I also think how fast of a reader (in terms of speed and hours a week) you are play a factor too.

[–]Franky_Donkey_Brains   3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I think the biggest letdown of those books is I waited, I brought them day 1 with cash from doing a shit ton of extra chores, read them in a few days. and fuck all happened... and I had to wait again. They weren't bad, but it just didnt progress the plot much.

[–]splader   6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not to mention the end of Winter's Heart is still goddamn awesome.

[–]LiquidAurum   Westworld 1 point2 points  (4 children)

I’m almost done with lord of chaos and that feels like a slog

[–]teepeedubya   0 points1 point  (3 children)

Uh.. Depending on how far you are - - Lord of Chaos has a fucking awesome ending.

[–]LiquidAurum   Westworld 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I’m getting close to the ending and yeah it picked up lol

[–]teepeedubya   0 points1 point  (1 child)

5 days later curiosity - Well? How was the end?

[–]LiquidAurum   Westworld 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whoooo that was a fantastic ending. You can check out my review on post hosiery I posted on the wot sub

[–]One_Mikey   9 points10 points  (2 children)

For all that is good, read The Wheel of Time!

[–]davedomino   0 points1 point  (1 child)

I do plan to read them eventually! But now that they announced the show I'll probably wait til after I've seen it.

The books are always better imo. So if I watch the series first, I'll still have the books to look forward to (and I'll have more motivation to finally start them).

But if I read the books first, there's just more room to be disappointed in the show.

[–]Xonra   10 points11 points  (4 children)

It's both good and a massive slog at the same time. You have to want to read it here in 2020 compared to when it was coming out. It's a lot to read and there are some very not exciting parts to it.

[–]ryanboone   10 points11 points  (2 children)

That's the truth, but it also feels like something that could be re-worked into a good tv show. Cut out the slog and weaker stuff, emphasize the strong stuff, add some new things, etc. It's the rare example where I feel like the show will be better if they don't stick to closely to the books.

[–]narcomanitee   1 point2 points  (1 child)

The world building really make it. I'm sure there is a good epic story there for tv. Unfortunately I think it'd be really hard to do and do well.

[–]ike1   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, Amazon seems to have been hacking away at Wheel of Time for years and years and years now, and there's no still no sign of it. (Weirdly enough the showrunner is a Survivor contestant, for those of you who like Survivor -- Rafe from season 11. He was also a writer and producer on Agents of SHIELD as well as Chuck.)

[–]echo997   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Always wanted to get into it but the sheer number of books always intimidated me.

[–]Clockwork_Owl   9 points10 points  (8 children)

Wheel of Time is a love it or hate it series. It's worth checking out, but don't expect a flawless masterpiece. I'm a big fantasy fan and I despised the books.

[–]DamnedThrice   2 points3 points  (3 children)

As a huge fantasy reader I found them to be pretty terrible. Forced myself through the first 6 books, frustrated and honestly pretty bored, before deciding that life was too short and stopped reading.

But hey, I’ll totally give the TV show a shot.

[–]Clockwork_Owl   0 points1 point  (1 child)

I made it to the 4th book myself before I bailed. Despite that I'm still excited for the TV show. There's a great story buried deep in all that terrible writing. A strong adaptation that's willing to make a few changes could be a great show.

[–]DamnedThrice   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, agreed

[–]MrGoodkat87   [🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

As a big fantasy buff, how do you feel about Brandon Sanderson's works? Specifically, 'The Stormlight Archives' series he's currently coming out with? Just curious.

[–]Clockwork_Owl   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I adore Sanderson. Mistborn and The Stormlight Archives are fantastic. The man somehow manages to weave a fun, breezy pace with lovable characters together with heavy world-building and a hard magic system. I don't know how he manages it, but I love that he can. I haven't read much of his other work yet, but I do enjoy his Skyward series to a slightly lesser extent.

Sanderson and Joe Abercrombie (The First Law series) are probably my two favourite fantasy authors right now.

[–]BoredDanishGuy   Farscape -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I used to read quite a lot of fantasy but Robert Jordan and GRR Martin killed the genre for me. I've not read anything in the last 5-7 years because fuck fantasy and fuck their long winded shite authors in general.

Last year I decided to stick my toe in to the pond again and picked up Patrick Rothfuss. Fuck me, he's even worse than those other two.

Fuck fantasy as a genre.

[–]Mors_ad_mods   3 points4 points  (2 children)

The adaptation I REALLY want, that will probably never happen, is the Riftwar Saga by Raymond E. Feist (first 4 books). Amazing story.

I dunno... I found it 110% engaging while Pug became Millamber and Tomas was talking to Draken-Koren... but once both the characters essentially became gods? It lost me. I can't recall when that transition happened in the series, but I think by the Serpentwar Saga they held no more interest for me.

That's when I dove into the other books... and discovered the Empire trilogy. Give me that one first, though since Feist unintentionally built most of Kelwan off another's works, there might be a nasty legal tangle to work through for that.

Then there's the Krondor's Sons stuff. Each book at least a season of it's own.

[–]davedomino   2 points3 points  (1 child)

I read like all of the books that were available when I was a kid but the first 4 are the only ones I ever re-read as an adult. I guess they're just the freshest thing in my mind.

I'm glad someone else is familiar with that series tho! I'd take any screen adaptation in that world.

[–]crovik   2 points3 points  (0 children)

First 4 books are only books I have ever re-read (now I don't read books at all though), I love them (Riftwar and Empire saga) and have read all up to King of Foxes, then my interest drifted away.

I agree that Pug/Tomas with their godlike powers are not that interesting, but we still had Jimmy (love him even as old man James) :]

[–]mackeneasy   2 points3 points  (0 children)

Came here to say this. A series that would be so good in other mediums.

[–]Komodo_Schwagon   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn, read those when I was a teenager and haven't thought about them in a good 20 something years. Great fantasy series though, one of the first I read and it opened the door for many more.

[–]Jefferheffer   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or fold your arms underneath your chest.

[–]kf97mopa   1 point2 points  (1 child)

The adaptation I REALLY want, that will probably never happen, is the Riftwar Saga by Raymond E. Feist (first 4 books). Amazing story.

The one thing that is amazing is how it sets up all these expectations of a standard fantasy story and then completely subverts them. The problem is that it then goes right back to fulfilling every trope in he later books. I would argue that he finds his footing again much later, but with something that is much more generic in its setup. Still, I suppose it could be done as a YA show if you keep the running time down.

[–]davedomino   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it could be done as a series with some tweaking. Season 1 would be too slow if it followed Apprentice exactly but if all 4 books could be condensed into 3 seasons it would have potential.

[–]NotTheRihard   1 point2 points  (5 children)

Wait Amazon can't use any plot/characters from the books and movies? Why?

[–]davedomino   4 points5 points  (3 children)

You'll have to Google it for details, but basically Tolkien's estate refused to give Amazon permission to use the major plot lines and characters from The Hobbit and LoTR.

IIRC the new series will be set a few thousand years before the events of the books.

[–]big_blue520   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is it that, or that Amazon didn't want to tread on an already (almost) perfect story?

[–]NotTheRihard   0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wait, how they even get the rights to use Lotr in the first place?

[–]davedomino   3 points4 points  (0 children)

They bought the rights for $250 million from Tolkien's estate. Netflix was also bidding on it. If you want to read about it:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/aug/09/amazons-new-lord-of-the-rings-cannot-use-much-of-tolkiens-plot

[–]kf97mopa   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tolkien sold the rights to the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings back in 1969. These are the rights that were used to make the movies. The Tolkien Trust still owns the rights to his other works - essentially everything that appeared in any other book, such as Silmarillion. Amazon has a license from the Tolkien Trust, but the rights to those first books are not included, because the Trust doesn’t own them.

[–]splader   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just read it!

Or better yet, listen to it while doing other stuff.

[–]antelope591 21 points22 points  (9 children)

I think Stormlight Archive would do pretty good. But its still a bit too early in the series.

[–]envious_1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Way too early. He won't be close to finish until maybe another 18 years or something. He's been writing one book every 3 years so far.

[–]jamesbiffCommunity 2 points3 points  (5 children)

SA would do great. Brandon's pulpy brand of fantasy would/will do great on the screen. The only thing is the budget, he really doesnt write conservative set pieces, most of the fights/battles in his books would require final avengers battle scale effects.

I just want to see Kaladin's story on screen. One of my favourite fantasy characters up their with Vimes and Samwise.

[–]bludgeonerV 0 points1 point  (3 children)

An adaptation of "The Emperor's Soul" could work really well.

[–]_that_clown_Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Movies or animated adaptations of single stories from Cosmere would be amazing. I don't know why, but I think some books in cosmere can work as Hayao Miyazaki style movies. Or something like Love, Death + Robot like anthology series.

[–]taschneide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Supposedly he's been working on a Mistborn adaptation or something. That'd be pretty cool if they do it right.

[–]_that_clown_Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Movies or animated adaptations of single stories from Cosmere would be amazing. I don't know why, but I think some books in cosmere can work as Hayao Miyazaki style movies. Or something like Love, Death + Robot like anthology series.

[–]antelope591 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One huge thing that people also forget when mentioning other shows like Malazan is budget. SA for the first 2 books takes place in basically only a handful of locations. That's massive for sets/budget reasons. They only really start exploring the rest of the world in the third book and by then you would know if the show is a hit or not.

[–]fabrar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe as an anime. Can't see it working live action, it's a bit too over the top cartoonish

[–]Anothernamelesacount 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Screw real life adaptation, make it an animated show. Otherwise, you're going to fuck it.

[–]AnotherJasonOnReddit 112 points113 points  (52 children)

Done correctly, I'd guess Wheel of Time has the strongest potential for buzz, because there's nothing from beforehand to compare it to (no no no, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZOCCEuROPk doesn't count!)

The Avatar, Tolkien, Narnia and Percy Jacksons will be compared to their previous incarnations (not too high a bar in Percy Jackson's case), so they'll have certain standards that fans of the previous stories will expect, whereas only readers will have expectations for Wheel of Time.

[–]TictacTyler   30 points31 points  (9 children)

Honestly, the bar is set so low for the Percy Jackson series that it could work in it's advantage. After the horrible movie (which somehow some people actually liked), fans just want an adaptation that does it justice. The Avatar and Tolkien have some really big shoes to fill.

[–]taschneide   5 points6 points  (1 child)

horrible movie

movies, plural. And the reason many people haven't even heard of the 2nd movie was that it was absolutely godawful.

[–]a4techkeyboard   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't know I could cringe at Nathan Fillion until that movie.

[–]mergedkestrel   1 point2 points  (1 child)

As someone who didn't read the books, the movies were fine since I had nothing to compare them to. I was just happy some mythology was being presented in movies. I didn't love it or anything, just liked the concept.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the new series is faithful to the books, you will love them.

Watched the movie, thought it was fine and like you just glad to see some myth on screen. Read the books. Man they are awful adaptations

[–]a4techkeyboard   1 point2 points  (4 children)

Is the Avatar part sarcastic? Because the shoes are about Toph sized for that one.

[–]TictacTyler   4 points5 points  (3 children)

The movie for Avatar was horrible. If you think I was referring to the movie, I could understand if you thought I was being sarcastic. But the series is one of the most critically acclaimed animated series of all time. The animated series is a masterpiece already.

[–]a4techkeyboard   0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh it was in the context of "There have been adaptations to compare it to, already." and the series itself wouldn't be an adaptation of itself.

I, too, also had the initial reaction to this news as "I'm not sure it needs to be adapted into a TV series, it's already a great TV series."

But I guess even live action TV shows get adapted into new live action TV shows (they just call them reboots) like with Charmed, One Day at a Time, Knight Rider, apparently Buffy. And cartoons get adapted into new cartoons all the time. Things get adapted into other things all the time, I guess.

So, it's kind of interesting to see a cartoon series getting a live action "reboot" that isn't called a reboot even though it basically is, though since they're going to do the same story and characters maybe it is closer to an adaptation.

It will be interesting to see if its closer to a book being adapted into a TV show, a TV show being adapted into a new TV show, or like a remaster of an old game into a new game with better graphics.

[–]TictacTyler   1 point2 points  (1 child)

The problem I see with this is that it is an adaptation of a story. There really isn't much of wiggle room in terms of plot. They can stretch things out but it would be weird to deviate from the plot.

Most of the successful reboots deal with either a concept or characters. Not a full blown story. Scooby Doo, which might be one of the series with the most reboots, works because of the concept. Most episodes are self contained and there isn't much in storyline.

I hope Avatar is awesome. It's just that there is a lot to live up to.

[–]a4techkeyboard   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the can adapt the story fine, the problem I think is worse is that they probably won't be able to adapt the tone. There are a lot of cartoon elements they'll have to abandon like the facial expressions and probably the cabbages.

And Jack DeSena's Sokka as comedic relief who is also a well-rounded developed character is difficult to duplicate even in cartoons and I think we've seen them try with various characters in Korra but also possibly non-related animated series that have similar three person mains.

They can adapt the show well, and follow the exact plot, and I think it will be good. But it will be fundamentally different just because it is a different medium, despite both being TV, live action will necessarily change the tone and the sort of level of suspension we as the audience will give it.

We'll all have to go into it with that expectation or we might not enjoy it either because it's more serious than we're used to it being or because it's sillier than we'd like a live action adaptation of it to be. I mean, I think we'd all be annoyed if it was even Henry Danger levels of live action but cartoony.

[–]Nimonic   39 points40 points  (2 children)

Delete that link you son of a bitch.

[–]morderkaine   4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s not THAT bad

[–]iamdew802   1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is that link?! I’m only on book 5 so I’m not trying to get spoiled ha.

Edit: watched some and found out by googling billy Zane wheel of time lol

[–]bajesus   9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's exactly my thought. The most important factor in generating buzz about a show is it's overall quality and that is something we can't tell on any of these yet. The second most important thing is how unique and surprising something is. You do that with having a visual style that hasn't been done before (i.e. Westworld's super sleek futurism mixed with Western styles) or with new approaches to story telling (i.e. GOT's killing of essential characters and adult themes in a fantasy show). It doesn't have to be a completely unique idea, just something that hasn't been done in the genre or setting of your show.

I'm honestly not that optimistic that any of these will be amazing, but WOT has the biggest chance to break out of the mold and do something interesting. LOTR and WOT are also the two least likely to be aimed at a YA audience so that could help them. I don't have anything against YA fiction in general, but YA fantasy is a pretty saturated genre and seems to have a much lower success rate.

[–]MissingKarma   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone else remember this

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Does that count?

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am glad they are doing first and a bit of the second book in the first season, Because otherwise, it would definitely be compared with Lord of the Rings. And the first season is very important for a show to succeed. But I also hope it doesn't happen at the cost of characters, The first book did a good job introducing the characters, And I hope that stays.

[–]tetsuo9000   5 points6 points  (34 children)

I'm already worried about WoT just based off the casting.

I just don't get how you get to this

from the descriptions of the characters in the books.

[–]LingeringLonger   17 points18 points  (4 children)

I’m really hoping they don’t go full Shannara on us...

[–]splader   5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is my only real concern. As long as the show isnt *bad*, I'm okay.

[–]tetsuo9000   1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, the cast really looks like they'd fit in Shannara Chronicles or Shadowhunters on Freeform.

I really don't care about their races. I care that Perrin isn't brawny and that's "his look". These actors look too sleek and cool overall forTwo Rivers folk.

[–]Razor1834   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where the target audience is me but when I was 15.

[–]ThunderRoad5   36 points37 points  (8 children)

And I don't get how you would get anything BUT that, at least regarding the men.

[–]The_Wheel_Turns   4 points5 points  (5 children)

Perrin isn't buff enough IMO. Honestly, as long as the actor can do a good job, whatever IMO.

[–]RichardSayre   Fargo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We have yet to see a picture of him beyond this and a head shot. I'll wait to judge once a trailer or actual footage is released.

[–]ThunderRoad5   3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that's a fair point. Maybe the costume department can compensate. I think he has a good Perrin face. Not to sound weird but his eyes are great - interested to see how they look as the series progresses.

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Rosamund pike is also not short enough to be Moiraine as well, But she's a good actress so I think she can pull it off.

[–]SRASinister   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not as bad as the Legend of the Seeker adaption with Richard being the opposite of the book description.

[–]Pway   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean if they're filming season 1 it would be weird af to have him more buff than that imo

[–]rightsidedown   0 points1 point  (1 child)

I pictured rand with a darker shade of red, not the bright ginger, more reddish brown. Bright orange gingers living in the desert just seems bizarre.

[–]Olddirtychurro   22 points23 points  (0 children)

I pictured rand with a darker shade of red, not the bright ginger, more reddish brown. Bright orange gingers living in the desert just seems bizarre.

Did you finish the books? Because that was the whole point of the Aiel.

[–]AetiusSPQR   4 points5 points  (7 children)

I think they felt they had to do it. WoT has a lot of characters of varying nationalities but the main crew all come from Emonds field, and it might seem too white to appeal to a mass market. I feel like the casting was done with a direct intention to diversify the characters, and thats fine. It does make the whole old blood of Manetheren and the Two Rivers isolation a little weird but we'll see. I wish they'd do an animated version though, live action won't work for the series in my mind. It's too big.

[–]shadowninja2_0   4 points5 points  (1 child)

All the Two Rivers folks shown actually look pretty similar in terms of skin tone, hair color, and eye color, though. (Except for Rand, obviously, which is the point) I mean, Mat's a bit lighter, but not unreasonably so, I don't think.

[–]AetiusSPQR   0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are described as pretty similar, I just always thought of them as more white than not. I mean they're described as tan or sunburnt at times and the cover art does show them as lighter skinned. Brown eyes and brown hair is the most common description though so that could mean anything. Either way I don't worry about the casting, fingers crossed that they can pull it off.

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are also hints at Two Rivers being more diverse than people think as well. Also I never got the impression that Two rivers folk were majority light-skinned people. I think I got that impression from one of the Caemlyn chapters.

[–]Rum____Ham   -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Emond Fielders aren't fair skinned white people.

[–]AetiusSPQR   1 point2 points  (2 children)

Maybe it's just the cover art that makes me think that. Although I'm certain that Egwene is described as light skinned in the first book and Mat was called fair skinned as well. I honestly can't say for certain about Nynaeve and Perrin but it makes sense that the people of the Two Rivers would be homogeneous because even Rand's mother, a redhead from Caemlyn, was remarked upon as an outsider by Two River's folk.

[–]Rum____Ham   2 points3 points  (1 child)

Cover art doesn't help. It threw me off as well, for my first read.

[–]The_Last_Minority   The Expanse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to some of that cover art, Perrin is a 45-year-old man.

[–]BlackThroneRitual   3 points4 points  (2 children)

How don’t you? Literally the only person that doesn’t look about how I imagined them is Lan. And Daniel is a great actor so that’s hardly worth worrying too much about. The girl playing Nynaeve is freaking perfect in her facial expressions and stuff, Egwene has that naive sort of young look, the boys are ALL on point in such a way that I was honestly worried they went more for look than personality right up until the actor playing Mat opened his mouth, then I knew it would be fine. And then there’s Pike. Just look at her face and frame. Pop an appropriate hairstyle on her and I just can’t get over how they found someone as perfect that’s also a wonderful actress. This show will definitely stray from the books, it’s unavoidable, but so far the cast seems like they could nail it if it’s written well. I mean, have you seen the dude that’s playing Loial? Lol I know he’ll mostly be CG or whatever, but my god.

[–]leparrain777   1 point2 points  (1 child)

Anything more you can say or any sources for the actors/info? My older brother and I have a little bit of stake in this production for obvious reasons but I haven't been following anything. -Perrin

[–]BlackThroneRitual   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve just been following the various news coming out, usually posted to /r/wotshow and then all the actors and crew’s social media accounts lol I’ve been foaming at the mouth for news. Safe to say I’m excited haha

[–]bludgeonerV   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can totally get to Matt, Perrin, Rand and Moiraine. I'd have no idea who the others are playing if I hadn't read it.

[–]protar95   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The guys all look pretty spot on and Rosamund Pike is a good fit for Moiraine I think. They've racebent Egwene and Nynaeve but there's nothing wrong with that.

[–]JohnnyOnslaught   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The descriptions in the book don't really go into much detail on skin tone or anything like that (outside of for Rand, who is noted as looking essentially Irish (pale skin, red hair) and therefore different from everyone else). It's actually totally feasible that the people of Two Rivers are darker skinned.

Lan isn't inherently described as being asian in the books but there's a lot of hints that his culture and lost kingdom were derived from asian influences. Moiraine is described as having dark hair in ringlets, and dark eyes, but that could be solved with contacts, dye, and/or wigs.

[–]silentwraith187   0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are selling a different narrative

[–]Snoopyseagul   0 points1 point  (0 children)

What specifically do you not like about the casting?

[–]Rum____Ham   -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

You should try reading it again. Edmonds fielders are darker skinned people.

[–]tetsuo9000   3 points4 points  (2 children)

Dark as in caucasian folk with a tan or Mediterranean complexion. Also, dark as in brunette. Rand is the only redhead in town, basically.

I'm really not talking about race, though. I'm worried because the cast looks too "sleek and cool" to play WoT villagers. They all look like stand-ins for a Freeform show like Shadowhunters or MTV's Shannara Chronicles.

[–]Rum____Ham   3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's pretty clear that they are Mediterranean or Middle Eastern.

We'll have to see what they look like on set, in costume. I mean, we can basically assume that it will not live up to our expectations. Successful adaptations of books (LOTR and early GOT) are exceedingly rare. They are usually shit (The Hobbit later GOT, and a wholllllle lot more).

[–]faithdies   50 points51 points  (20 children)

Someone might pick up Malazan. If WoT is successful it wouldn't surprise me if Brandon Sanderson stuff is picked up as well.

[–]TheTalkingMeowth   28 points29 points  (6 children)

He's shopping a Mistborn script of some sort around right now, actually!

[–]The_Wheel_Turns   22 points23 points  (4 children)

Mistborn would make an excellent YA animated feature IMO. Live action is a hard sell. The effects and sets would require a massive budget.

[–]mflynn00   6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's also a tough magic system to put on screen, but the story is good enough

[–]Razor1834   1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s pretty much what everyone has said about WOT as well. I expect it either to be bad or unaffordable unfortunately.

[–]Deto   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ooh, yeah, I could definitely see an amazing show come out of that with combat like in Avatar

[–]Anothernamelesacount   0 points1 point  (0 children)

No need for it to be YA. Adult and gritty all the way.

[–]envynav   5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don’t think he’s started shopping it around yet. His website still says he is writing the script.

[–]Fortnight98   23 points24 points  (4 children)

I have no idea how they would do a Malazan show but I would love it, favourite book series by far

[–]jurble   8 points9 points  (3 children)

Quick Ben... and Toc the Younger? are the only characters around in nearly every plot-line from Gardens of the Moon to The Crippled God.

Otherwise, you're dealing with just completely different characters constantly with crossovers.

It might work if you decided to overlap the plots chronologically (which doesn't always work because Erikson literally stated there is no consistent timeline and handwaved it as Warrens being timey-wimey). So Season 1 would be both the Bridgeburners and the siege of whatever + the set-up elements of Midnight Tides + Karsa Orlong's first journey or something.

[–]ProfessionalPin3   5 points6 points  (1 child)

Toc the Younger

And he changes several times.

[–]jurble   0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's... the Doctor :O except he doesn't wanna keep coming back, Hood just likes the guy for some reason.

[–]arca5   4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would love some Malazan shows/movies but man they would be difficult to make.

[–]antelope591   16 points17 points  (1 child)

I don't see Malazan on TV. They would have to cut out way too many characters and simplify the story a lot. Not the mention the amount of massive battle scenes. Seeing something like Karsa's journey on TV would be pretty cool though.

[–]FlubzRevenge   8 points9 points  (0 children)

Malazan will never ever work, the scope is just too big to do well. I also feel it's niche for the budget they would have to put into it anyways.

[–]tetsuo9000   3 points4 points  (1 child)

Also, Feist. Magician: Apprentice would make for a good show.

[–]Kakumite   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The best of the lot

[–]Lead_Fire   3 points4 points  (1 child)

Still have my fingers crossed for a Stormlight Archive show/anime adaptation.

[–]into_dust   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stormlight would make for a great animated show. I think the magic anime swords, fantasy races etc. would be too goofy (or prohibitively expensive) in a real life adaptation but an animated one could really work.

[–]Anothernamelesacount   0 points1 point  (1 child)

No one is going to fucking pick Malazan. Of all things, the slowest and toughest of all fantasy series wouldnt do it on TV. Imagine ending the first season and then starting the second season with half of the cast gone and you gotta keep up with another story in another continent with people you dont care for.

[–]faithdies   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. You're right. It would be too awesome. Damnit haha.

Seriously, you're probably right. Though, I think WoT is unfilmable unless you are spending freaking Avengers money. But we shall see haha.

[–]WordsAreSomething   104 points105 points  (36 children)

I'd guess Avatar the Last Airbender will given the reception that the original has had. Plus it has the team from the animated show behind it so I think the chances of it being good are higher. Lastly it's on Netflix which I think gives any show an advantage.

[–]D3monFight3   57 points58 points  (10 children)

It doesn't have the entire team from the animated show, it has the creators of the show but not the writers, specifically Aaron Ehasz who was the head writer for the series.

[–]shez33   32 points33 points  (14 children)

Ehh I dunno, people are still a bit weary of live action avatar lol. I think it’ll take a brave few to watch the first season and say if it’s shit or not for everyone else to check it out. I don’t really think the concept lends itself to live action, the budget is going to have to be insane to pull it off properly.

[–]ForHarambeAndValor   Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Live action TLA's biggest challenge will be getting the tone right. The show needs to be light and colorful overall but it still needs to be able to hit the emotional moments as well which isn't an easy thing.

[–]shez33   11 points12 points  (1 child)

Yeah true they’ll have to play careful attention to the tone. It could get annoying real fast if they put the main focus on Aang pining for Katara or other YA fiction traps. The kids they pick will all have to be stellar too, the moody Aang from that horrid film was one of the worst offenders.

[–]she_sus   4 points5 points  (0 children)

God, how could they get aang so, so wrong in that movie. Everything about aang is so light-hearted and even pure. He really feels like a nerdy, dopey little kid who’s been forced to mature very quickly throughout the show, and even fails at points because of his immaturity. He wasn’t some broody, profound and mysterious god-child.

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Having a kids perspective on the darker world was one the major points I loved avatar, If it can manage to have the similar setting and tone, than it would be a success in my eyes.

[–]Dijkstras-Algorithm   10 points11 points  (5 children)

That said, it could be complete garbage and still look amazing compared to Shyamalan's dumpster fire.

[–]Stepwolve   21 points22 points  (4 children)

the problem is Avatar is the only property listed here that started as a tv show. Everything else is adapting a book series into a tv show - but avatar is just adapting a tv show into a tv show.

Because of that, i dont think theres any chance it will be that successful. because every episode is going to be a comparison to the original animated series - which is already amazing

[–]Lyfultruth   3 points4 points  (2 children)

They need to do something very difficult to make a live-action series of ATLA. They can't just make a shot-for-shot remake or people will compare every scene to the original and just say "there's no point watching this, when I can just watch the original." And they can't change it too fundamentally, or people will say "this isn't my Avatar/Aang/Katara/Sokka/ATLA."

To make it work, they need to keep that spirit alive, while giving it more depth, keeping characters fundamentally the same, and not skimping on anything that gave ATLA it's sticking power. Not unlike the Final Fantasy VII: Remake. They have to really work to make the live-action worth watching.

[–]she_sus   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just don’t understand how they’re supposed to convince us that these characters are the same when so many TINY things about so many of the characters in ATLA were what made people love them in the first place. Their voice actors and line delivery (Dante Basco’s voice is totally one of a kind and Jack de Sena delivers sokka’s lines like no one else can, not to mention Grey Delisle as Azula), mannerisms, expressions that only animation can convey... I honestly don’t know if these people know what they’re doing. It just seems like such an impossible feat.

[–]a4techkeyboard   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Netflix has adapted TV shows into TV shows before, I guess. One Day at a Time was successful enough that when Netflix did its "Three seasons is enough, cancelled!" it got "saved" by some other network.

Avatar is perfect because it only has three seasons, so Netflix can't cancel season 4.

Obviously, I'm not saying they should completey change the show, and change the ethnicities of the main characters because that's the Shyamalan movie.

[–]Dijkstras-Algorithm   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good point, let's hope they're smart enough to get away from a shot-for-shot remake

[–]shadowninja2_0   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you mean wary, although perhaps the movie we got was enough to make some people weary.

[–]iTomes   1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not nearly as big of an IP as Lord of the Rings though. And Live Action adaptations of animated shows have a pretty troubled history. It's not an easy thing to do since you need to make significant changes to the original animation to not be horribly derivative but also need to surpass it to not just become a worse version of the same premise. Writing wise it's really tough, and the better the show you're adapting is the harder it gets.

[–]minisxule   2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that the issue with ATLA is that it already exists in a tv show format, so it’s going to end up very repetitive.

Additionally, Netflix doesn’t have the best track record for adapting animated shows. Live action Death Note was laughably bad.

[–]TictacTyler   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not too sure about that. The original is a masterpiece. They nailed it. There's a reason why it is so well received. This is pretty much going to be adapting an amazing animated TV show into a live action TV show. It has huge shoes to fill and the question would be what's the point when the original nailed it.

I wish it the best of luck of course. From a cinematic standpoint it could look amazing if done right. But I just keep having the feeling of the remake of Psycho. The original is such a masterpiece, what's the point in remaking it. We know the plot is going to be almost the same.

[–]ryamano   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the original team was also there for Legend of Korra, and lots of people didn't like that show. I liked it, though.

[–]Firvulag   11 points12 points  (2 children)

Obviously the One Piece live action show will take the prize.

[–]Rakisanalligator   5 points6 points  (1 child)

I mean, the leaked pilot script was actually pretty fantastic. Still, there's a lot that can go wrong in the execution (e.g. bad acting, bad CGI, poor direction, etc.)

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is generally why adaptations are hit or miss. Much more elements to account for

[–]ShortBusCult   47 points48 points  (15 children)

I hope they do The WoT series right!

[–]TheNerdChaplain   39 points40 points  (9 children)

The biggest thing now that WoT has going for it is that it's a complete story with an ending that the fans liked. Never mind that RJ plotted out and wrote 15 books with the end in mind from the beginning and knew exactly where he was going (if not how to get there always, to be fair.) That puts him above nearly every other fantasy writer in scope and depth except for like.. Tolkien.

My expectations are low, but hopeful. The last major thing the showrunner, Rafe Judkins, worked on was the first couple seasons of Agents of SHIELD, which I generally liked. If it's that level, I'm happy. They also have some solid directors lined up, and Rosamund Pike as Moiraine will be great.

[–]Leafs17   6 points7 points  (8 children)

He planned 12 books IIRC.

[–]ricree   5 points6 points  (4 children)

I've always been curious how he would have handled it.

With the amount of material in the last three, I don't see how it could have been compressed into one without harming things, but who knows how it would have worked out had his health improved.

[–]The_Wheel_Turns   3 points4 points  (1 child)

Honestly, I think the series could have been a little longer, especially regarding the East. Didn't have to be of course

[–]ricree   4 points5 points  (0 children)

Supposedly it was intended, but there just wasn't enough material left behind to do it and Sanderson didn't feel comfortable inventing it wholesale.

[–]jabba_the_wutt   1 point2 points  (1 child)

he planned 3 originally lol. but its very clear that he had a good idea of how the series would end from the start.

[–]_that_clown_   Person of Interest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read somewhere that he wanted to finish the last book before he dies, even if the book turns out to be 2000+ pages, so that would've ended the series at 12 books, but when Brandon started finishing the books he decided that he could never do the series justice with just one book, so divided the last book into 3 books. Thus 14 total.

[–]ricree   13 points14 points  (1 child)

I have very little faith that something this scale can work out on a TV budget, but would love to be proven wrong.

[–]The_Wheel_Turns   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya, that's my big fear. There's just so much high fantasy elements that the budget needed to do it right is going to be an obstacle.

I think animated would have been better.

[–]bluebottled   5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have my doubts about that. For me 'doing it right' would be updating all the weird sexist attitudes and massively trimming down the middle few books where the pacing slowed to a crawl. But I'm sure there will be a lot of book fans who won't be satisfied with anything other than a one to one adaptation.

[–]silentwraith187   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Judging from casting and how they stated that they wanted to send a "social message" it won't be.

[–]Matheri1   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WoT is a flop already.

[–]infinight888   40 points41 points  (19 children)

I doubt seriously that Percy Jackson is trying to emulate Game of Thrones' success. Completely different tones and demographics. It's not even high fantasy, and is tonally far closer to Harry Potter.

That said, if the cartoon's return to Netflix is anything to go by, A: TLA will definitely get the biggest buzz initially. Whether or not it maintains that buzz will depend on its quality, though, which is something that will be much more difficult to predict.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 17 points18 points  (18 children)

I was more talking about popularity. Usually when people say "The next Game of Thrones", they're not talking about a similar show, just one with the potential to be as popular or nearly so.

[–]BrigadeArea51   6 points7 points  (10 children)

Netflix already tried with The Witcher and it didn’t reach that level of hype. They have Avatar, Narnia, One Piece, and Cowboy Bebop coming up too though.

[–]infinight888   19 points20 points  (7 children)

Netflix will never reach Game of Thrones popularity with the binge-format. Disney+ has the right idea. The Witcher came and went within a couple weeks. The Mandalorian dominated pop culture for months.

[–]Namodacranks   5 points6 points  (2 children)

I literally never heard anyone actually talk about the Mandalorion outside of reddit. There was that month or two of memes fawning over baby Yoda but I doubt the majority of them even actually watched it.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Mandalorian was definitely popular outside reddit. But either way his point is solid. I have a hard time imagining a binge type show reaching that level. All that water cooler talk that really made GOT excel is just not possible.

[–]mylox   0 points1 point  (0 children)

All my co workers were watching the Mandalorian. There was even a Slack chat room for people to talk about it lol

[–]BrigadeArea51   -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

The format has nothing to do with it. The Witcher got popular, it just never reached the popularity of Game of Thrones.

[–]infinight888   6 points7 points  (2 children)

The Witcher was very popular... For a couple weeks... And it will be popular again for another couple weeks when the next season comes out. What it lacks, however, is staying power to dominate pop culture for an extended period.

[–]BrigadeArea51   1 point2 points  (1 child)

No, if a show is popular then it’s popular and The Witcher is.

[–]AlbertoRossonero   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nobody is denying it was popular but there’s a ceiling these Netflix shows hit because of the binge model. Weekly episodes makes a show’s staying power longer and that way they pick up more fans as the show is airing. The Witcher not only has the binge model going against it but it also wasn’t a very good show.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

GOT didn't get as popular as it did till season 3 so there's hope I guess

[–]SmithReborn   0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was 1 season

[–]powergs   South Park -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

If you are talking about popularity its def gonna be LOTR. Its just way bigger thing than rest of your list.

WoT and Percy Jackson gonna be good, Avatar gonna be bad idk what to think about LOTR and Narnia. Those my predictions btw. I really hope all of them to be good tho.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Kind of. The LOTR isn't really an adaptation but more high budget fan fiction so it's not impossible one of the others eclipse if they have surprisingly strong adaptations

[–]infinight888   1 point2 points  (4 children)

I think Avatar will probably be good. Just not nearly as good as the cartoon, and it will be judged harshly on that comparison.

[–]powergs   South Park 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Thats the exact reason why i said its gonna be bad (lots of people also think like this) i really dont see how they can make good show as cartoon. So even if its not bad its gonna look bad because of cartoon.

[–]infinight888   1 point2 points  (2 children)

I think that ultimately, it will be received similar to Legend of Korra. Most people will like it (at least enough to keep watching subsequent seasons) but agree that it's not as good as the original, there will be a vocal minority who thinks it's awful, and a small group of fans will actually prefer it to the original.

Edit: Do you ever make a comment and have no idea why it was downvoted? Like, I know multiple reasons it could have been downvoted. It could have been downvoted by people with too-high of expectations because I said the live-action A:TLA reboot will be worse than the original. It could have been downvoted by thin-skinned Legend of Korra haters who were offended by me referring to them as a vocal minority. It could have been downvoted by people expecting the Netflix show to be horrible and are upset that I said it will be received well. I'm not a person who particularly cares if people are offended by what I say, but I can't help be curious who I actually offended and why.

[–]powergs   South Park 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Again i agree with you. If i didnt watch TLA i would say Korra was cool show and i would give 8/10 but because Avatar was so damn perfect i see Korra as 6/10 show. Also i dont see how they can make good choreography like cartoon version. Anyway im def gonna watch i hope they do some justice for this masterpiece.

[–]infinight888   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think the effects and choreography are going to be tough on a TV-budget, even with the "Game of Thrones budget" that's been rumored.

I think if they're smart, though, they'll try to dial back on the cartoon spectacle for budget reasons. Instead, go with the quick and brutal style described in the Kyoshi novel. Fights would be faster and less expensive, but also more tense, making the audience feel like the characters are only one wrong move away from death.

[–]isaacz321   10 points11 points  (6 children)

None of them. Zeitgeist usually wants something new. Who would’ve predicted after breaking bad that next shows to hit it big were a fantasy show and a zombie show.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   8 points9 points  (5 children)

The second-highest rated show of the 2010s by viewership was The Big Bang Theory. You may not like to admit it, but people for the most part love to see the wheel reinvented.

[–]isaacz321   9 points10 points  (2 children)

Yes but it wasn’t a game changer with the 18-49 demo which is what matters when we’re talking about cultural relevance like Game of Thrones. Ncis is likely in the top 5 of the 2010s too but majority don’t consider it as a hit series either because it’s nothing impressive in the 18-49 demo

[–]Bobby_Marks2   7 points8 points  (1 child)

BBT was a juggernaut with 18-49 year olds (link is for 2019, with links back to 2015). Even granting Breaking Bad, GoT, and Walking Dead, BBT is easily a top four show in that age demo, and it ran longer than all of them.

Walking Dead might end up running longer, but it has fallen hard ratings-wise since season 7.

[–]isaacz321   1 point2 points  (0 children)

For me game changer is a once in a decade type show. Only maybe three sitcoms in last 30 years fit though bbt isn’t far behind. Seinfeld, Friends, and The Office because of Netflix.

Yea walking dead one dropped hard but it still was a lot higher than bbt in its prime. If we were taking about shows overall breaking bad and walking dead wouldn’t be considered game changers but in their peaks they were.

Walking dead was doing like a 8 in the demo, bbt was in 5.5-6 range in its prime sometimes not even beating empire. Those two and GoT had a huge streaming presence which can’t be quantified but matters too which bbt didn’t really(wasn’t on any service)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The viewing numbers aren't that big of a deal.

TBBT will have made plenty of ad money and sold a few DVDs and 'Bazinga' shirts.

But GoT is 'created its own industry' big. Thousands of people are making a living off the show just selling Jon Snow keyrings in Croatia. Millions will have subscribed to HBO (or its regional equivalent) around the world just to watch it. Book and merch sales will be through thehe roof. You go to any market in the world and there will be stall selling GoT t-shirts and door stops.

[–]prism1234   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Viewership is important, but isn't the only thing that determines cultural relevance. That said TBBT did have some of that as well. Sheldon Cooper is a pretty iconic character now, in a similar way that Walter White or Don Draper or Jon Snow would be.

[–]Teethandflowers   5 points6 points  (4 children)

While I’ve always looked forward to a Chronicles of Narnia TV show, I’m a little uncertain of how they plan to tell each story. Not only are the books chronologically messy, some of the stories have more meat to them than others. Arguably, you can’t make two seasons out of one book but you sure as hell cant make even a whole season out of some of the books.

For instance, they might be able to pad out The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe in two seasons with flashbacks interwoven to tell The Magician’s Nephew for season one and then introduce The Horse and His Boy in season two, but I feel like that would be playing Westworld-esque time contortion for a story that is nowhere near as complicated as that.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is my main concern. While Middle Earth was written densely, full of historical facts and world-building, TCoN is allegorical, contains very little world building, instead focusing on events as they happen to very simple characters.

I've seen Narnian film adaptations going back to the 1980s. I don't ever recall wishing they had touched on more of the books they were adapting.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Netflix apparently paid nearly 250m ( What Amazon paid for LOTR) for the rights and they're planning a "Universe" of sorts with a series and films. So they'll certainly expand in some way.

I think I slightly disagree with you. Lewis didn't write the way Tolkien with all the dense info but I think think the Worldbuilding in Narnia is immense in its own way. I certainly would have loved to see more stories in that world for instance. There's also quite a lot Lewis leaves to the imagination or doesn't really expand on. A talented writer could do a lot with what Lewis plotted.

CON is not a traditional tale I agree. Though a few recurring characters exist, there's no overarching story, plot, themes, villain etc and that can be a hard sell. I think their Universe approach is a the way to go. Treat it the way the series actually is from the get go. Sporadic Tales in a magical world.

I guess we'll just have to see. I hope it works out it's one of my favorite series.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Netflix apparently paid nearly 250m ( What Amazon paid for LOTR) for the rights and they're planning a "Universe" of sorts with a series and Films. So they'll certainly expand in some way.

Lewis didn't write the way Tolkien with all the dense info but I think think the Worldbuilding in Narnia is immense in its own way. I certainly would have loved to see more stories in that world for instance. There's also quite a lot Lewis leaves to the imagination or doesn't really expand on. A talented writer could do a lot with what Lewis plotted.

CON is not a traditional tale. Though a few recurring characters exist, there's no overarching story, plot, themes, villain etc and that can be a hard sell. I think their Universe approach is the way to go. Treat it the way the series actually is from the get go. Sporadic Tales in a magical world.

I guess we'll just have to see. I hope it works out it's one of my favorite series

[–]Teethandflowers   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this is the best case scenario; make Narnia the main character, not the Pensivies or Caspians and explore the world with incidental characters flowing through along the way with stories to be told, and have the White Witch and Aslan be the two constants of the story. Almost like Oz, where Dorothy is a minor character in the scheme of the world Baum created.

[–]Portgas   34 points35 points  (24 children)

LOTR>Wheel of Time>Avatar>Percy>Narnia.

[–]Budgetboi   9 points10 points  (4 children)

Netflix is doing Narnia, right?

I think they'll do it just as well as the movies did.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   15 points16 points  (2 children)

I think the problem Narnia has is that, to this point, nobody has ever really done a poorly-recieved adaptation. They just all peter out between books 2-4. As much as bigger budget takes have been cool, I'm still all about the old made-for-television films that actually made it all the way to Silver Chair. The story has been told to death, and TBH Lewis' writing is so allegorical that the story is almost mythological - and myth adaptations end up being bland fantasy fodder.

Netflix could do them well, and they will be popular, but people will still somehow care less about them. The IP needs to be ignored for a while.

[–]bluetridentleics   5 points6 points  (1 child)

I think the best way for the show is to start with The Magician‘s Nephew as that is one of the only books that have not been adapted for screen and is technically the first in the timeline of the series. Start with the birth of Narnia and then end with the death of it.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Netflix apparently paid nearly 250m ( What Amazon paid for LOTR) for the rights and they're planning a "Universe" of sorts with a series and Films. So they'll certainly expand in some way.

Lewis didn't write the way Tolkien with all the dense info but I think think the Worldbuilding in Narnia is immense in its own way. I certainly would have loved to see more stories in that world for instance. There's also quite a lot Lewis leaves to the imagination or doesn't really expand on. A talented writer could do a lot with what Lewis plotted.

CON is not a traditional tale. Though a few recurring characters exist, there's no overarching story, plot, themes, villain etc and that can be a hard sell. I think their Universe approach is the way to go. Treat it the way the series actually is from the get go. Sporadic Tales in a magical world.

I guess we'll just have to see. I hope it works out it's one of my favorite series

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Netflix apparently paid nearly 250m ( What Amazon paid for LOTR) for the rights and they're planning a "Universe" of sorts with a series and Films. So they'll certainly expand in some way.

Lewis didn't write the way Tolkien with all the dense info but I think think the Worldbuilding in Narnia is immense in its own way. I certainly would have loved to see more stories in that world for instance. There's also quite a lot Lewis leaves to the imagination or doesn't really expand on. A talented writer could do a lot with what Lewis plotted.

CON is not a traditional tale. Though a few recurring characters exist, there's no overarching story, plot, themes, villain etc and that can be a hard sell. I think their Universe approach is the way to go. Treat it the way the series actually is from the get go. Sporadic Tales in a magical world.

I guess we'll just have to see. I hope it works out it's one of my favorite series

[–]One_Mikey   21 points22 points  (11 children)

WoT is gonna blow up if they do it right!

[–]osterlay   4 points5 points  (9 children)

Isn’t that the most difficult world to adapt?

[–]komodo_dragonzord   Better Call Saul 9 points10 points  (8 children)

yeah, there's like a shit ton of monsters, armies of magic users and so much casual magic use that the vfx will probably be the most expensive thing about the show.

[–]jamesbiff   Community 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Ill be interested to see how they film the fight in the sky (2nd book? 3rd? cant remember, been years) and not make it look fucking stupid.

In my head it was badass. Dont see how it will translate.

[–]morderkaine   1 point2 points  (2 children)

It’s been so long, we’re they flying or was it that people saw them in the clouds fighting? If the second one, the big psychic fight scene in the show Legion is a good example of what can work

[–]bludgeonerV   2 points3 points  (1 child)

I always pictured it more as their fight on the ground was being projected into the clouds.

[–]prism1234   1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yeah it could work really well as an animated show imo, but unfortunately animated shows don't usually have the buzz here to do a big budget adaption.

[–]komodo_dragonzord   Better Call Saul 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Castlevania on netflix has been making some buzz, I read the director mention on twitter that the newest season cracked top10 in netflix the week it aired and that's super huge. Hope it really opens more doors to animated stuff geared towards an older audience.

[–]prism1234   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Castlevania is great. I also hope it opens up for more. Right now there is a lot of both comedic and more serious animation aimed at kids, and comedic animation aimed at adults, but there isn't much western produced serious animation aimed at adults. Other than Castlevania there was also Undone, which had a fair but of critical acclaim, but I don't know how successful that was in terms of viewership. Bojack is comedic, but also tackles fairly serious topics so might count too. I think the genre has a lot of promise, and is especially well suited for fantasy or scifi type stuff that would require huge effects budgets to do live action. Japan does a lot of that, and while I like anime, I'd like to see some more western takes on it too.

[–]wooltab   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like there aren't that many monsters, at least not early on or aside from big battles.

The biggest challenge that I see is the artistic one in terms of how to depict the wielding of the one power. Not necessarily a costly thing, as it isn't really faking something real, but it does need to convince in its relation to acting and what's in camera.

[–]Matheri1   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nah, it won't.

[–]sixtus_clegane119   3 points4 points  (1 child)

I hope someone works on a dragon riders of pern and it’s a shame they won’t make the belgariad

[–]wooltab   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, now that Wheel of Time is finally happening, Pern has moved up to the top of my fantasy (I know, it's technically sci-fi) waiting-to-be-adapted list.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (14 children)

From the IP alone it almost has to be Lord of the Rings. But I think the Witcher should be up there as well in conversation. I really liked the first season even with the 3 time lines. Now that everything is caught up to the present season 2 should really take off. The source material is there, has a good cast and crew that seem to really care about the material.

[–]AlbertoRossonero   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Witcher’s problem is Netflix’s binge model and it not being a great show. They had the source material to make an amazing show but really dropped the ball imo.

[–]Budgetboi   -4 points-3 points  (12 children)

You'd think that, but I think GOT was the death of medieval fantasy. (Witcher, I know!)

Just like The Hobbit doesn't have the legacy of LotR, I think an Amazon LotR series won't be that notable.

This is going to be either Avatar or Percy Jackson of the listed properties.

Netflix is already going to turn Avatar into a household name by keeping it as their banner show, they'll be able to turn it into a grand property.

Percy Jackson's been done poorly but has a good story to work off of, and it's going to be Disney+, so there you have another marketing behemoth.

Shows not run by those platforms have to do something really extraordinary to stand out.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   1 point2 points  (6 children)

Just like The Hobbit doesn't have the legacy of LotR, I think an Amazon LotR series won't be that notable.

As great as Peter Jackson's trilogy was, I think it left a lot of lore on the table. Middle Earth is an ideal IP for a TV show, because it has a dozen books of densely-packed histories that can be told and world-building that can be done. None of these other franchises offer that. All Amazon has to do is let the source material shine, and they can't lose - the fandom will carry it to success.

All they have to do is treat it like historical drama (which they've done well), and it's can't-miss culture. It will be the definitive adaptation of the greatest fantasy IP to fail to spawn a major religion.

Netflix is already going to turn Avatar into a household name by keeping it as their banner show, they'll be able to turn it into a grand property.

I think recency bias has people vastly overestimating Avatar compared to the other options here. It's a fantastic kids IP, but those rarely if ever make the jump to adult entertainment before a long period of time has turned them into multi-generational classics. Their target demo when originally airing is still under the age of 35. The runners have confirmed proper ethnic representation, which should work for Asian markets but not in the west.

We're talking a franchise that averaged 3-5.5 million viewers when aired. Those are Firefly or Two Guys and a Girl numbers, and we are comparing them to book franchises that have moved 100+ million books. Books that have been assigned in schools and recommended to parents for 50+ years.

[–]infinight888   1 point2 points  (5 children)

We're talking a franchise that averaged 3-5.5 million viewers when aired.

We're also talking a franchise that just managed to make it to Netflix's most-watched list well over a decade after it ended.

I don't believe it will reach Game of Thrones levels, but its popularity is insane, and its following only seems to have grown after it ended.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   0 points1 point  (3 children)

We're also talking a franchise that just managed to make it to Netflix's most-watched list well over a decade after it ended.

I don't think that's a particularly high bar the week it came out.

but its popularity is insane, and its following only seems to have grown after it ended.

I don't doubt that, but that doesn't blow it all the way up to the level of iconic 20th century literature (Narnia and LotR), WoT, or the Camp Half-Blood Chronicles. The five mainline Percy Jackson novels spent some 250 weeks on the NYT Bestsellers List, and they've sold about a quarter of the books that WoT has (which is well short of the two juggernauts).

Keep in mind too, that print fiction benefits from massive amounts of free marketing via library and educational distribution. Teachers and parents have been pushing their children towards these IPs for decades.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Percy Jackson novels have actually sold a lot more than that. The link is dead now but Wikipedia sources a fox business release statement in late 2010 that states the novels had sold over 69m copies worldwide.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Jackson_%26_the_Olympians

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/amp/52673144

Riordan's website also states he has sold ( as an author) over a 100m copies in the US alone which would line up very well with that figure

https://rickriordan.com/about/

PJ is actually my pick for the one with the most untapped potential out of all of these

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unfortunately Book sales are reported rather sporadicly but this is the best we have for those series

LOTR at 150m+ (as of 2007) (2nd best selling fantasy series ever)

CON at 120m+ (as of 2005) (3rd best selling fantasy series ever)

WOT at 80m+ ( as of 2017), 70m at 2007

PJ at 69m+ (as of 2010)

[–]Bobby_Marks2   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, Wikipedia lists Percy Jackson as a 5-book series, but links to an article that gives 20 million as the unit sales of only the first book. And having grown up with CoN in the 90s and seeing how much it is still foisted on children, I would be surprised if these books weren't still selling hundreds of thousands of copies.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In line with what the other dude said although he made a mistake with the number for PJ.

Unfortunately Book sales are reported rather sporadicly

LOTR at 150m+ (as of 2007) ( 2nd best selling fantasy series ever)

CON at 120m+ (as of 2005) (3rd best selling fantasy series ever)

WOT at 80m+ ( as of 2017), 70m at 2007

PJ at 69m+ (as of 2010)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Nah I dont think GOT was the death of medieval fantasy. I think it showed what a proper high budget medieval fantasy show could be. Even if the ending got fucked. the first 6 seasons were awesome. The Hobbit wasnt Peter Jacksons fault. it was studio interference. Fantasy Medival shows do have a place and if done right with good budget, studio etc will be successful. My dream is to have a warhammer fantasy show. All about Sigmar.

[–]JanMichaelVincent16   8 points9 points  (3 children)

Avatar and Percy Jackson both have a prior adaptation that was fucking terrible, so they have a low bar to clear, but that they will live and die based on the cast of child actors they end up assembling, and whether or not their shooting schedules will allow for that Harry Potter experience of watching the kids grow up. LOTR and Avatar both have initial film/TV incarnations so excellent that they have an absurdly high bar to clear. LOTR and Wheel of Time could go either way - either the sheer amount of Amazon production value pay off huge and one of them become the next Game of Thrones, or they become beautiful messes that nerds adore but casual audiences have trouble connecting to. Narnia could also go either way, depending on what they do with it - the series isn’t exactly as politically complex as Game of Thrones, but it’s a large-scale epic that has a not-terrible prior adaptation that shows it can be done well, but that still has room to grow.

[–]Stepwolve   5 points6 points  (2 children)

the other challenge is Avatar is the only property on this list that started as a tv show. All the others are book adaptations, but avatar is a tv to tv adaptation.. It has a ridiculously high bar to clear - being better than the original avatar tv series. Which is one of the most beloved series ever. I dont think theres any way they can succeed in that. I would struggle to even call avatar an 'adaptation' - its more of a live action recreation since it started as a tv show

[–]JanMichaelVincent16   7 points8 points  (1 child)

Honestly, solely based off the fact that the original show has been riding high on Netflix’s top-10 most watched shows this past week, there’s probably more of a market for a post-Korra animated show than there is for a live-action remake. The original show isn’t perfect, but it’s close to it - there are very few missteps that could be corrected by a remake. The only changes I might make would be giving season 1 a better overarching story, spending more time fleshing out Iroh and Ozai’s relationship and digging into the whole theme of generational trauma that the original show really only touches on, and more explicitly establishing energybending and Aang’s restoration of the Avatar State so that it feels less like a deus ex machina - and even with all of those, I still don’t think a remake would be a better show than the original.

[–]SmithReborn   0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was number 1

[–]YepThatsSarcasm   6 points7 points  (0 children)

If Wheel of Time is done right, it’ll be as awesome as GoT. That’s an epic storyline with a ton of magic and mayhem.

[–]mrmonster459   15 points16 points  (8 children)

My money is on Amazon's Lord of the Rings. Not only is it probably the biggest current IP of those, but Amazon is clearly sparing no expense.

[–]candygram4mongo   22 points23 points  (4 children)

I don't know. They don't really have any original text to adapt from, just broad historical strokes. As a LotR fan, this feels more like high-budget fan fiction than any kind of adaptation, and I'm not excited for it at all. It's also going to have to either try and cater to GoT fans, which will be alienating to Tolkienites, or not do that and have to justify it to execs who are looking for the next GoT.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   3 points4 points  (0 children)

which will be alienating to Tolkienites

If it doesn't have source material, I think Tolkien fans will be a hard sell anyway.

[–]Uk101abc   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Game of thrones was approachable for someone who doesn't like fantasy genre. LotR is not approachable and the Hobbit made it seem even more boring. It would take a lot of hype to overcome this and I can't imagine LotR doing this. Oh and Amazon seem to be useless as promoting shows for some reason.

[–]CheesyObserver   -1 points0 points  (1 child)

High budget fan fiction is a technically correct way of saying it, but you're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

Every prequel/sequel that the OG creator/s was not involved with is technically high budget fan fiction, and some turn out great!

Like Jurassic World! nope nope bad example.

Star Wars Sequels! fuck.

How about The Mandalorian!. That's Star Wars material that George Lucas wasn't involved with, but Dave Filoni is involved, he was mentored by George, so that doesn't count.

Okay. I'm still sure something like it exists but you appear to be correct.

[–]Dr_Brule_FYH   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rogue One, Blade Runner 2047.

[–]Nilja   2 points3 points  (2 children)

The problem is Amazon doesn't advertise their shows, games, movies or anything. The only Amazon thing I've ever seen advertised is Grand Tour. Not sure word of mouth is enough to make LotR a GoT level success.

[–]ryamano   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, They put a lot of effort in advertising "The man in the high castle". And it was bold, who'd have the guts of putting swastikas and Japanese sun flags on the subway?

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/25/457410075/new-york-subway-pulls-nazi-themed-ads-for-new-show-the-man-in-the-high-castle

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For that matter, I saw the same type of campaign where I live with Carnival Row, another of their shows.

[–]Tolbitzironside   2 points3 points  (1 child)

redwall would make a nice adaptation.

[–]Hllnflms   0 points1 point  (0 children)

this was my childhood. If i remember correctly, i swear there was an animated show back in the early 2000's

[–]she_sus   2 points3 points  (3 children)

I’m most excited for Percy Jackson

I’m most skeptical about ATLA

I’m most confident about Narnia being good

I’m most confident about TLOTR being bad

And I’m most curious about The Wheel of Time

I’m saving this post and looking back in it after all these shows are released, if they ever are.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm pretty confident nearly all of these will be released.

WOT is already in production

LOTR has to materialize per the agreement with signing the rights. Plus it was ordered straight to series so season 1 is guaranteed

Netflix apparently paid a shitton for The Narnia rights (nearly 250m). This will probably take the longest to come out because of what Netflix is planning with the IP but I can't see them letting 250m down the drain.

ATLA is in pre-production I think

Percy is still in early development but it will probably happen. Disney don't have a lot on their plate at the moment

[–]she_sus   0 points1 point  (1 child)

I was mostly thinking about delays due to Covid not so much contractual or greenlighting problems.

[–]Matheri1   2 points3 points  (0 children)

I predict WoT will be cancelled after only 2 seasons, none of these shows will light the world on fire, like GOT.

[–]wengelite   3 points4 points  (0 children)

Y The Last Man

[–]ThnkUTaker   1 point2 points  (2 children)

I love the chronicles of Narnia so much I hope they don’t do me dirty.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Netflix apparently paid nearly 250m ( What Amazon paid for LOTR) for the rights and they're planning a "Universe" of sorts with a series and films. So they'll certainly expand in some way.

Lewis didn't write the way Tolkien with all the dense info but I think think the Worldbuilding in Narnia is immense in its own way. I certainly would have loved to see more stories in that world for instance. There's also quite a lot Lewis leaves to the imagination or doesn't really expand on. A talented writer could do a lot with what Lewis plotted.

CON is not a traditional tale. Though a few recurring characters exist, there's no overarching story, plot, themes, villain etc and that can be a hard sell. I think their Universe approach is a the way to go. Treat it the way the series actually is from the get go. Sporadic Tales in a magical world.

I guess we'll just have to see. I hope it works out because it's one of my favorite series as well.

[–]ThnkUTaker   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there’s stuff in some of the less popular books like Magicians Nephew and Horse and his Boy that some talented tv writers could really flesh out in an intriguing way.

[–]vibroguy   1 point2 points  (0 children)

If they do Wheel of Time right, it could be bigger that GoT

[–]Bananaman9020   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly Lord of the Rings. It has the chance for it to be as big or bigger than Game of Thrones. But... I worried that they will try and make it more GOT and less Lord of the Rings. But I will be happy to be wrong I just don't want any Fucking swearing and Rape and nudity.

[–]silentwraith187   1 point2 points  (1 child)

As a long time WoT fan and LOTR rings fan it won't be those. From the prerelease information both are not following much in the way of source material and in the case of WoT are selling a different narrative than what Robert Jordan had.

[–]wooltab   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't read every recent update on WoT, but I haven't heard anything that suggested it's going to depart from Jordan's narrative, aside from some changes to details here and there. What are your thoughts?

[–]Everest_95   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it'll probably be Percy Jackson, the fanbase (including me) is really excited for that show.

[–]OTPuristsSucc   3 points4 points  (0 children)

House of the Dragon.

[–]hydruxo   4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wheel of Time has potential because it’s the first adaptation of that series, whereas everything else has had different versions on-screen before. LOTR will be interesting but I think even though they’re going for a different timeline with the show, people will be comparing it with the films regardless which is a high bar to live up to.

[–]americansherlock201   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel that Lord of the Rings will generate the most buzz but ultimately fail to live up to expectations of the fans due to the success of the films. Avatar has a chance to redeem its live action style but there’s massive worry by the fans as the show is just redoing the original which is viewed as basically perfect. Chronicles of Narnia will possibly have the same issue as LOTR due to its highly successful movie series that fans will constantly be asking when characters from the films will appear in the series. For speech Jackson literally anything will be better than the films but in terms of buzz it may struggle to gain initial traction outside the current fandom. Wheel of Time has the chance to best emulate the Game of Thrones style buzz due to its deep source material, and lack of a pre-existing live action adaptation. If done right, they could draw a lot of interest in a show and really build a big audience.

[–]IEATYOURMOMSPUBES   2 points3 points  (0 children)

im gonna say wheel of time because its new to me, and ive heard good things about the books too. lotr would be second because lotr is great but ive read all the books i could get my hand on and watched all the movies already, so it wouldnt be as exciting as exploring a new world. avatar i feel like the animated show already does a good job so a live action adaptation isnt really needed. narnia i havent touched since elementary school when i read the book. pecy jackson i know nothing about other then there were already movies but apparently werent good.

[–]AtrumX   2 points3 points  (1 child)

LotR has such deep lore the writers have it very easy. They even have the advantage of a beloved and hated trilogy (lotr vs hobbit) to know what fans like or don't.
The others are GREAT series, but fans are so invested and the series generally aren't as deep - thus bigger potential for plot super-flops.

I love WoT and Kingkiller (if it ever gets made) - but worry about what a TV series will look like.

[–]TheGrayFox_   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't really kept up to date on the Kingkiller series but last I heard it's based on Kvothes parents, which is probably a good decision, so we don't end up with another GoT situation

[–]FrodoFraggins   Farscape 2 points3 points  (5 children)

LOTR - it's set during a pretty cool period in time and they have a great visual template to work from with the movies.

The Wheel of time has no shot really, at least in terms of emulating GoT. The characters are pretty one dimensional, there's no great dialogue to tap into(like ASOIAF) and they are always on the run somewhere. The showrunner adores the books and I'm sure they'll do the best they can, but it's hard enough to whittle down such a bloated series.

[–]Uk101abc   1 point2 points  (1 child)

I keep seeing fans of the genre replying on here and that's not what turned Got into the major success. It must be approachable to a wider audience and LotR is unlikely to do that - it is too far removed from reality.

[–]FrodoFraggins   Farscape -1 points0 points  (0 children)

um the movies were quite massive successes - more so than the more grounded harry potter films that released the same years

nothing else on the list is a better choice.

[–]tetsuo9000   1 point2 points  (0 children)

You nailed my major concern with WoT being adapted: the characters are constantly traveling. There's going to be no reusable sets except for the Two Rivers and Tar Valon for the story contained through Dragon Reborn.

[–]wooltab   0 points1 point  (1 child)

It will certainly be a challenge for WoT, but I'd be licking my chops if I were the one adapting it. There's so much obvious stuff that can be edited out to strengthen and streamline the narrative (as in, stuff even passionate readers have been earmarking as excessive for years).

Dialogue does present an opportunity to add on, for sure. Hopefully the writing room figures out a good scheme for expanding that.

[–]FrodoFraggins   Farscape 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd love to see an abridged version of the books that cut it down by half, but this show is the closest we'll get most likely.

I don't envy the ones making the show but I do hope they hit it out of the park.

[–]Tonkarz   30 Rock 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It’s difficult to believe any of these will be successful since they’ll likely be visionless GoT clones.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Almost none of these are similar to GOT in tone and style so I doubt

[–]Tonkarz   30 Rock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean the source material isn’t. I’m pretty none of these even have trailers.

[–]ChiangKaiShrek69   1 point2 points  (2 children)

Avatar is a retelling which is disappointing. I would have preferred it to move on as apparently everyone on Netflix just binged the show. They said they get more time for characters but I felt like they spent all the time they needed on Jet, Bumi, and all the other minor characters. Maybe Toph got the short end of the stick but that's about it. It's going to be like the Witcher where we all point at the thing we know, go Poggers and then forget about it in a month or two.

[–]Stepwolve   0 points1 point  (1 child)

same here. i dont get what they can accomplish from a live action tv adaptation of an animated tv show. its not even really an 'adaptation' at that point - its the same medium.

It will only be a 'success' if it manages to be better than the original series - one of the most beloved animated series ever. Its a ridiculously high bar to clear, and every episode is going to compared to the animated original. At least all the other properties on this list are book series being adapted to tv series

[–]ChiangKaiShrek69   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish they would move on to the next (next) avatar but Korra felt like the end of the franchise in terms of timeline. This feels like Star Trek regurgitating Kirk and Spock instead of going forward.

I think the problem is you could make the stuff about the gang in their adult years or a Kyoshi prequel but it's like then what? Just a bunch of stand alone episodes? What's going to be your big bad with no Fire Lord?

[–]tidus8   1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of them sound amazing. But I'm most excited for Avatar and Percy Jackson.

[–]HeyItsNickCA   1 point2 points  (0 children)

I predict that Percy will be extremely popular among youth.

It's a high prediction, yes, but it is a popular book series and the writer of the book will be directly involved with the series in contrast to the movies. But to be fair, the movies themselves were decent box office hits although nowhere near the level of Harry Potter. But unlike the movies, the series won't (hopefully) suck and it will be available on Disney+ which has north of 50 million subscribers yet not that many original shows.

[–]Fizzay   1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lord of the Rings unless it gets butchered. Has the biggest mainstream appeal, and looks to be set up for success.

[–]OneGoodRib   Mad Men 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Based on literally nothing, I'd say Percy Jackson. Has a built-in, passionate fanbase already who are eager to see their series done RIGHT, and since it's for Disney+ iirc I don't think it'll fall into the trap of thinking "well since it's a big budget fantasy series it'll just PRINT money" like some other things.

Lord of the Rings thing will get a lot of buzz because nobody knows what to expect from it and it has a lot to live up to.

I don't know why, but I feel like the Chronicles of Narnia one will be mediocre and there'll be posts in the future that are like "It got a second season" with replies like "Oh that show's still around?"

The live action Avatar will only generate buzz if the child actors are all amazing, or if it ends up being as shitty as the movie was so we get bad buzz.

These opinions are all based on nothing.

[–]nhaze255   2 points3 points  (17 children)

I've always wanted an Avatar: The Last Airbender DONE RIGHT!! Not like that shitty movie.

[–]thoth1000   18 points19 points  (8 children)

Like the show? The show was done right. What more do you get out of it by making this a live action thing? There is no way that the martial arts or bending will be nearly as good as it was animated.

[–]nhaze255   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The show is fantastic. I'm currently re-watching it on netflix AGAIN 😄 and I think a live action Avatar series could be epic if done right. I'm confident that Netflix studios could make something great along the veins of shows like The Witcher

[–]throwohhaimark2   0 points1 point  (3 children)

I don't know why people can't see how a fully realized, photorealistic recreation of a fantastical world from an animated show would be appealing to people. Besides that, there's potential for improvements in cinematography and subtle details that are hard to capture in animation, both in acting and production design.

[–]DARDAN0S   7 points8 points  (2 children)

Unless you are really willing to throw a ridiculous budget at it, there's just so much that you can do in animation that you can't do in live action.

Considering how cheap the Witcher looked I'm not holding my breath.

[–]Stepwolve   2 points3 points  (1 child)

plus original avatar has so much 'casual bending' in it that wont be affordable in a live action series. All the little moments where characters arent in combat - fire-bending to heat up tea, or earth bending to smack someone, or water bending practice by the river. All those scenes will be ridiculously expensive to create in CGI, and the series will inevitably have less bending because of it. Which will in turn change the feeling of that world when bending isnt as commonly seen.

Itll be just like the lack of animal-souls in His Dark Materials. You just cant afford to have cgi in nearly every scene - but in animation you can do that easily

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do think the effects and choreography are going to be tough on a TV-budget, even with the "Game of Thrones budget" that's been rumored.

I think if they're smart, though, they'll try to dial back on the cartoon spectacle for budget reasons. Instead, go with the quick and brutal style described in the Kyoshi novel. Fights would be faster and less expensive, but also more tense, making the audience feel like the characters are only one wrong move away from death.

I think the above comment is probably how it's going to be done

[–]Locadoes   0 points1 point  (2 children)

Because people think that remaking something into live-action is a upgrade/improvement. This is the reason why we don't see animated shows like ATLA from the US anymore. If you ask literary/comic, creators about doing a animated adaptation, pretty much a lot of them going to get offended. I remember having a discussion with Orson Scott Card about animated adaptation, he mention how someone got offended when he talk to her about doing a animated adaptation. If live-action is seen as the ideal medium and animation as inferior abombination, the US animation industry is going to be hinder.

[–]nutsotic   0 points1 point  (1 child)

I want an animated Dresden Files

[–]Locadoes   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember asking Orson Scott Card why Ender's Game is not animated and he say that "there had to be a specific reason for using it." The problem is that with CGI now, all the fantasy stories can be done with CGI instead of animation. Now we in a situation where all the Disney animated movies are getting live-action adaptations and really any animated movies can be done through live-action. This idea that animation is some "last resort" is really hindering the animation industry.

[–]bluebottled   3 points4 points  (1 child)

I hope they do Korra too if it's a success.

[–]infinight888   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hope they do Kyoshi if it's a success. Her story seems much better suited for a mature live-action adaption than either of the cartoons.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   4 points5 points  (5 children)

Has there ever been a good live-action adaptation of an action cartoon? It's possible that Batman: TAS influenced the Nolan Batman films, but I'm racking my brain thinking of something that worked:

  • DBZ was horrid
  • Avatar: TLA was horrid
  • G.I. Joe was meh
  • Transformers was meh
  • I guess technically the X-Men films came off the back of the cartoons popularity in the 90s
  • Ditto Spiderman
  • Speed Racer was trash
  • Kim Possible

The trend I see is has been this: studios are afraid to adapt children's cartoons in ways that don't align with media norms for children. So something like Avatar, which is great because of more mature themes, sees them stripped down in favor of tropey kids stories and characters.

[–]WhyTheWindBlows   3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought most people thought speed racer was a really good adaptation

[–]nutsotic   2 points3 points  (0 children)

You shut your mouth about Speed Racer

[–]Pires007   1 point2 points  (1 child)

Does TMNT count?

[–]Bobby_Marks2   0 points1 point  (0 children)

They sell tickets well enough. But does that make them done right?

All I know is that I wouldn't want Michael Bay anywhere near IPs I loved.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's possible that Batman: TAS influenced the Nolan Batman films

Not really. Although it certainly influenced the Arkham videogames, which were going to be the main inspiration for that cancelled Ben Affleck's Batman movie.

[–]paull___   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm mostly looking forward to seeing what they do with LOTR and ATLA even though my expectations are really low. I was thinking about this recently because of the news about Yoko Kanno working on Cowboy Bebop and I'm always split on these things. On the one hand, I feel like there are certain stories people should just leave alone and that trying to do them again would just be an act of hubris. On the other hand, the new shows might be decent and at the very least would reignite interest in those stories again and bring them to a new audience.

[–]Alexstarfire   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bad buzz? Avatar. Good buzz? None.

[–]Taman_Should   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it'll become more clear once we know some casting choices and who is attached to the production. Good actors (especially kid actors) and good direction can make or break.

[–]OohLaLaaaaaa   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something we haven’t seen before, which isn’t 90% of this lineup

[–]Antalion   0 points1 point  (1 child)

Maybe Lord of the Rings for name recognition, but I doubt any of them will do better than a few seasons.

[–]jorgelucasds   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think recognition might exactly what kills LotR. It has 6 great movies and fans will be expecting the show to be as good and be comparing it all the time.

[–]CodexLvScout   0 points1 point  (0 children)

none of them, they will all be middle of the road. nothing with buzz like this will live up

[–]-NargSmart   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really hope, Wheel of time succedes, Currently reading the books, and story and characters are really well written, It can translate well for TV as well. It just needs the GoT level of production. I hope amazon spends the money on it.

I can understand why GoT started this trend tbh, I mean no one would've taken the task of Adapting wheel of time for TV before GoT, Game of Thrones success told money people that Fantasy can totally work on TV.

It would also need the kind of success GoT had to work too, Because there are 15 books, and even If they adapt, 1.5 or 2 books a season, it would need at least 7-8 season to get done. A lot of things will need to be cut.

I hope it works out for the best it can set the path for Stormlight archives, Gentleman basterds, Mistborn and all the other great fantasy landscapes :)

[–]Skeldrithe   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd rather see other ip in adaptation like the Drizzt series, the dragon rider's of Pern, Andre Norton's witch world series, stainless steel rat. Or even foundation. The ones mentioned have been done: why revisit?

[–]Jack0091   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The buzz will go for the one that ticks most boxes. The audiences will go for the one that is better made, so it's too soon to tell.

[–]wooltab   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wheel of Time has immense upside. It's like the middle point between LotR, GoT, Star Wars, Harry Potter, X-Men and Jane Austen type costume drama. Should probably throw in The Witcher to that mix now, as well.

As everyone says, it's a big if but it's turned out to be a good thing that WoT didn't go into production until now, because the money, technology and the market are there for it to happen on a worthwhile scale. And Rosamund Pike is running point onscreen. Should be fun, will hopefully be good.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Assuming equally good writing on the shows mentioned, I would bet on Wheel of Time and Lord of the Rings. Narnia would be too wholesome for people nowadays or a colossal travesty if it weren't. I don't really know anything about Avatar or Percy Jackson.

I'm still waiting for someone to make a bitchin' ass TV show out of The Iliad and The Odyssey. The Iliad would be kinda like GoT and the Spartacus series. The Odyssey would be kinda like Lost. Keep what's in the traditional stories but add a lot of character stuff and new adventures in-between.

[–]XxTerrordactylxX   0 points1 point  (0 children)

If HBO threw GOT money at the Saga comic book series, it would be Star Wars big.

[–]jogoso2014   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lord of the Rings

[–]DoppioBestestBoi   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wheel of Time is a series I regret wasting time on, I got to book 5 or so and finally decided I wasn't going to torture myself anymore, there was something like ten more to go. It's a shame because the it started off decent enough, then dove off a cliff.

[–]the_wolf_peach   0 points1 point  (1 child)

Lord of the Rings because Amazon is also working on a new Lord of the Rings MMO. They have a lot to lose if either fails.

[–]boringdude00   0 points1 point  (0 children)

They might want to check the decade. When was the last time anyone played an MMO? Not to mention there already was a LotR MMO that no one played.

[–]VRsongoku   0 points1 point  (0 children)

But although development has a long way to go i believe aang can save the world

[–]danielcube   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crazy how many unique show we are getting these days comared to just 10 years ago.

[–]chasingit1   0 points1 point  (1 child)

LOTR and it won’t even be close. A massive budget, the Amazon hype machine behind it and based off one of the largest and most beloved franchise in movie/book/fantasy history.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazon hype machine...? Amazon hasn't been particularly great marketing their shows so far

[–]Cimurph   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based on hype and nerd cred:
1: Lord of the Rings
2: Avatar (would fight for 1 if that *thing* hadn't happened)
3: Wheel of Time (Prolly, basing on not really having a real adaptation yet)
4: Narnia
5: Percy Jackson (doesn't have Alexandra Daddario's tits to carry it anymore)

[–]Rduos   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wheel is... it's going to be the biggest dissapointment. Like legend of the seeker. I have no faith

[–]Radulno   0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean Lord of The Rings is starting with a clear advantage there. It's by far the most known and popular of those. Then, it's Narnia I guess.

But all of those have potential it will depend of quality and marketing

[–]dryphtyr   0 points1 point  (0 children)

ATLA is already generating huge buzz

[–]ShadowMadness   0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I had to guess, then I'd say most buzz will probably be Wheel of Time or LOTR. I think the least amount of buzz will go to Avatar: The Last Airbender, if only because it's already had a very successful and well-liked adaptation. Yes, LOTR has as well, but in LOTR'S case, they're going from a film adaptation to a TV show, which changes things up enough imo; Last Airbender is just making another tv show in a different format.

[–]morderkaine   0 points1 point  (0 children)

My personal interest is for Wheel of Time, Avatar cause the anime was great so hoping they can pull it of right, the LOTR then Percy. Don’t think Narnia will make much buzz.

In terms of overall, since Wheel of Time might not be widely enough known, and while Avatar is probably more well known the movie doesn’t help for those who haven’t seen the show. So overall buzz I sorta think LOTR, at least till we see the shows

[–]provocatrixless   0 points1 point  (5 children)

Lord of the Rings will generate the biggest buzz, it's the most recent and successful in film, and the universe has been around the longest. Wheel of Time is honestly pretty mediocre, and live action shows about magical teens just historically don't rock the boat that much.

[–]Matrim_WoT   0 points1 point  (4 children)

The Witcher, which is about a magical child, was one of the biggest shows last year.

[–]Matheri1   -1 points0 points  (3 children)

......For only three weeks, and faded like it never even existed, nobody cares about the Wheel of Time except the fans.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's just how Binge type shows work though.

[–]jorgelucasds   0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's not a issue with the witcher only, its an issue with even the biggest show on Netflix which is Stranger things. Binge releasing shows make a huge initial hype but it dies very quickly as it doesn't allow much discussion if you dont watch it on the 1st week.

For a show to create a huge buzz through months, it has to be on a weekly release schedule like GoT.

[–]Matheri1   0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which is why this binge model will never allow a show have any staying power, none of these projects will ever light the world on fire like GoT did for the past 9 years, they might be good or suck, but truth is they will only get buzz for a couple of weeks and then fade out public consciousness pretty quickly.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Avatar and LOTR will do the best. Narnia will do good. Wheel of Time, Percy Jackson will do dreadful.

[–]done001100   -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

God, none of those seem appealing.

[–]Ridley-Knight   -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

I think the closest thing to Game of Thrones has already happened, and it’s The Mandolorian. It’s had the universal buzz that Game of Thrones had.

[–]Bobby_Marks2   3 points4 points  (5 children)

Not really. It's had Disney buzz, but it's not nearly the same kind of phenomenon.

[–]ummhumm   3 points4 points  (0 children)

Never mind that the writing on it is childish and bland. It's nothing like GOT, just Disney doing the surest cash grab they could after the trilogy being such a shit show.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I'm curious. What's Disney buzz exactly?

[–]Bobby_Marks2   0 points1 point  (1 child)

Disney does marketing as well as it does everything else. As a result, they can get a ton of buzz generated for a film or show that will get great results without having the same kind of lasting cultural effect that an organically-popular IP would. Look at Pixar sequels like Incredibles 2, Cars 2, or Frozen 2 - enormous box office hits, but cultural interest dissipated quickly and was barely there in the first place.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know. Seems like opinion to me.

Cars and Frozen make billions in Merchandise sales every year. What kind of culturally dead or inorganic franchise does that?. Can you even make this statement accurately when you're not even its target audience. How do you really know what 9/10 year olds are talking about?

Frozen 2 had the second biggest home video sales of 2019 and that's with months being cut off due to Corona virus.

Disney is great at marketing I agree but it's weird to call it any less organic when they're one of few companies that have been able to consistently leverage interest past just movies/Shows

So millions visit parks based on these properties, buy memoribilia in droves and stack their homes with expensive disks of said movies in numbers that would put others to shame and often years after release and this is somehow.. Not Organic?. I'm baffled you came to this conclusion.

I think you just have weird expectations coupled with not being part of the audience that would actively discuss these things. How many sequels to breakout hits also breakout well enough to have discussions isolated from their original. Very Very few.

Frozen 2 discussion is Frozen discussion. Or do you really think Frozen, The Incredibles, Aladdin, Marvel etc hold no lasting cultural impact or are not organically popular ?

How many people are talking about fast 8 distinctly. Is the fast and furious popularity inorganic too?

Believe me if interest could be manufactured so easily everyone would be doing it

[–]WhyTheWindBlows   -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Baby yoda is pretty big idk

[–]Eric191   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m gonna say probably Avatar? If not then LOTR

[–]xanderholland   -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Avatar currently has the biggest buzz with it being the most watched show on Netflix US currently even though it ended over 10 years ago. I personally don't know much about Wheel of Time, nor have I heard much talk about it. I'm skeptical of the LotR series, they're sinking a lot of money into it and that can go to a lot of people's heads. Narnia, didn't even know they were going to give it another go, sounds like Netflix bought the rights about two years ago and haven't released any information as far as I know. Percy Jackson and My Dad Was Horny One Night, could of chosen a more interesting and new property.

[–]MysteryInc152   [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Netflix apparently paid a shitton for The Narnia rights (nearly 250m). This will probably take the longest to come out because of what Netflix is planning with the IP ( A Universe of Sorts) but I can't see them letting 250m down the drain.

Also they did announce their "creative architect" (Their Kevin Feige) last year.

[–]xanderholland   0 points1 point  (0 children)

They announced the buy in 2018, but no news on development as far as I know.

[–]ummhumm   -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I suppose that great time to be a fantasy fan, depends on what kind of fantasy you like. None of these are really interesting to me. This is pretty much catering of "my first fantasy books" section. The kind of easy and quick read (well besides the pure size of WOT) starter packages. Just throw in a Belgarion show in there too.

It's actually unsurprisingly same thing, as it was with superhero movies. While I have nothing against the popcorn entertainment quality of all that Marvel stuff, they simply skipped all the actually more interesting superhero comics. Naturally the easier cash was in known properties, but still.

Also to add here, I would really like some kind of Conan tv show. Just him adventuring, thiefing, fighting etc. Brutal enough, dark deadpan comedy and no fucking funny sidekicks. Wouldn't even need that huge of a budget, just use it better than the Xena like quality of Witcher.

[–]Chuck006   Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. -1 points0 points  (0 children)

None of those. I think the next big show is going to be The Mandalorian.

[–]poorboyflynn   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not wheel of Time never heard of it

[–]TapatioPapi   -1 points0 points  (0 children)

After everyone watching the original Avatar and it being #1 on Netflix if done right the live action can blow up.

[–]insaniTY151   -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

The Kingkiller Chronicles too!

[–]envynav   0 points1 point  (0 children)

The prequel show seems like it’s development hell, so I don’t think we will see it anytime soon.

[–]Willing_Function   -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Naria, lord of the rings or avatar

[–]AegonTheAuntFooker   -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Don't know, don't care. I'm waiting for the next Game of Thrones. Not the prequel (nor the sequel that HBO will surely try to order ~10 years from now), but the next series that will define an era of television.